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GEORGE: And welcome back. I'm George Noory. Betty Eadie, my guest. Betty, so at this point, are they sending you back to your body yet?

BETTY: (laughing) No, and I'm so grateful that they didn't. I know you're anxious to learn how I came back.

GEORGE: (laughing) I want to know what it was like to come back into your body!

BETTY: Well...

GEORGE: But we'll get to that.

BETTY: Yeah. I didn't want to come back, and I really, truly was allowed to see so much and experience a lot, but those who are interested, I'm sure they can go to my website and learn of it there, or a library to get the book, or purchase the book, or whatever. They can learn more. But, no, I didn't want to come back. I was... my experience took place in 1973, and the age of thirty-one, I was bordering, I suppose, on being a feminist, and the attitude back then was Helen Reddy's attitude, and that is simply that women ruled the world, or at least want to, and I felt that way there. So when I was taken before a council of men, my first thought was not a very pious one -- I wasn't too humble there. But I was told that there's an order, there is reason for the male and the female, and how that serves God and the purpose that we are here to experience on earth. Having that explained to me, I felt very comfortable with being a female, and also standing there before the council.

GEORGE: So there's a sex difference in the spirit world...

BETTY: Yes, uh-huh. I was female there, just as I was female here. Although, to be honest with you, I do believe that, depending upon the experience that you need, after this life, when you go into another experience, perhaps even into another world, that you would take the sex that you would... that best serves you. But I didn't feel threatened by being male or female...

GEORGE: So I'd come back as an amoeba or something like that...

BETTY: Well, you may, or maybe not! (laughing) That would be up to whatever it is you haven't pick up yet for your course of study, and something you needed to complete.

But as I stood there before the council of men, they wanted me to review my life, and this to me is where hell came in. I had to review my life from conception -- and I'm emphasizing conception because that's very important. During the time of conception, the spirit can enter the body, or not. It can wait until the moment of birth before it actually takes human form, or it can go into the mother's womb at any time that it chooses.

GEORGE: So how would one know? I guess we wouldn't, those who are alive, right?

BETTY: Well, this is where my hypnosis later came in. I know that, under hypnosis, you can access the spirit, and the spirit knows whether it entered the womb at conception or at birth. But I started at conception, my review. And I... during the time the mother is pregnant, the baby is very aware and tuned with everything that is taking place -- conversations are heard between mother and father, people around -- and it begins to develop self-worth during that early stage.

GEORGE: Based on, I guess, the sounds it hears?

BETTY: Based on the communication, because the spirit is aware of the language.

GEORGE: So it knows... alright, so it knows the words!

BETTY: Yes. When we baby-talk to babies, they really are laughing at us, because we don't need to.

GEORGE: Goo-goo goo-goo, and they say, "What are you doing?"

BETTY: (laughing) Well how would you like someone to get in your face and do that, huh?

GEORGE: Yeah, that's true.

BETTY: Right. And so they laugh because we're funny to them. They actually are already aware of the English... well, of whatever language they are to speak. And they understand it well, far better than actually we do at...

GEORGE: Is it because the spirit understand it, or does the physical baby eventually...

BETTY: The spirit has already been educated to the language.

GEORGE: Fascinating.

BETTY: Yes. It already knows what language it is to speak, and is aware of all of that. It has already been educated to the parents and the possibilities of being born even into dysfunctional homes, which most homes are, and what those problems might be, and what the DNA --the cellular memory -- of that particular family might bring you.

GEORGE: So it knows if there's a violent family, it knows if there's a loving family, it picks up on all that.

BETTY: Yes.

GEORGE: Now does that effect the fetus in the womb, in terms of the quality of the family?

BETTY: Yes, it does. And the fetus... the spirit is actually on a mission, perhaps even to that family, something that they have been given by God to bring to that family, to make a change. It's like a tweak in the matrix of life. When one little tweak is done, it changes rapidly as it spreads out, and widens, and eventually, of course, it includes changing something in the world. And so, say for instance there is a very dysfunctional family and a child is born -- and I talk to many women who have been sexually abused by their fathers -- and as a spirit, you might -- not "might", you will -- have the strength and the power to come into that family knowing that that is a possibility for you, and maybe even experiencing it, but knowing that you can make a difference in that family's life, by changing that.

GEORGE: How so?

BETTY: Well because you change the energy, the cellular memory, the DNA, all of that is tweaked by the change that you make.

GEORGE: They change it when the baby's born?

BETTY: The change that you make as an adult to your memory. In other words, if you do not pass that along through your experience, you actually tweak the matrix of change. You can forgive in a way that perhaps that person... most abusers have been abused.

GEORGE: I believe that. Yeah, that's true.

BETTY: Yes. And through your forgiveness, you actually begin a healing process in that person's life. It's very... you're very much like a sacrificial lamb, but only at the spiritual level would you have chosen to do that, because, of course, what mortal being in their right mind would choose such a thing? They wouldn't. But as I said earlier, as a divine being, which we all are, when we go back to what we were instead of what we are right now, we will all be very surprised at how much more we are developed and how much more we can endure.

GEORGE: So, at least what you're learning when you were in this state is that the spirit picks and chooses, comes in when it wants to, conception or at the moment of birth -- and I assume at that point it's when they breathe their first breath...

BETTY: Yes. And even the children who are born handicapped, these spirits never needed a life experience here. They come to gift that family with their presence.

GEORGE: Do we ever run out of souls or spirits to put into human bodies?

BETTY: No. No, we don't.

And so, going through my life review beginning back at conception and coming forward to the age of thirty-one now, I experienced every moment of existence. I saw everything about my parents, family friends, the ripple effect of all things in my life. The way that I was mistreated, the way that I mistreated. And when I hurt someone, I had to experience their ripple. For instance, I never murdered anyone, but I know people are going to say, "What about murderers?" If you take someone's life in some violent way, in your life review, you are going to have to experience the exact murder, the exact same deed that you performed on someone else.

GEORGE: What, you experience that in the physical... in the spiritual world?

BETTY: Yes. As though you were IN the physical. And then you experience every person who loved that person; every ounce of pain that they suffered, you will experience it. It's the most horrible thing.

GEORGE: That's your own hell, isn't it?

BETTY: That is to be in hell. And so when people say, well, what you're saying is you're getting away from hell, no you don't get away from hell. You get into experience. You have internalize what you have done so that you can go beyond your present existence into a higher realm, otherwise you could not go there. You have to know what you did to hurt another being.

GEORGE: Well why were they giving you a life reading, when they knew you were going back?

BETTY: I think of it as a gift, because, after coming back, I'm very careful what I do to other people. I don't want to experience one negative thing in my life review again. I try to remember to do those small acts of kindness, because I know that those acts of kindness come back as a big splash.

GEORGE: You couldn't have been that bad before you died, though, Betty.

BETTY: I did some things, but I'm not going to make it public. You know, it's...

GEORGE: Were you... were you bad?

BETTY: Yeah. Kind of.

GEORGE: I can't believe that, just talking to you!

BETTY: (laughing) Well, you know, aren't we all?

GEORGE: Well, there are levels of what people have done in their lives. I can't anticipate, or even expect, that you would have done anything horrendous.

BETTY: Well nothing horrendous. But, I was raised on an Indian reservation, I was raised in... Someone just emailed me about putting down Catholics... I'm sorry, but I have to tell the truth about this. They wanted to know what Catholic school I attended. The schools I attended were on Indian reservations. This is back when they wanted to educate the Indian people, and as a child, this is simply the way that they did it. And again, I have to be honest about that. So, having been raised...

GEORGE: Well that's the way they did it... that's they way they did it for you.

BETTY: That's the way they did it for me. And many others, unfortunately. Most of the children I grew up with are no longer on this planet. I mean, they left years back through drugs, alcohol, murder, and being murdered, and it was a terrible time.

GEORGE: Sounds like you were in a bad group of people.

BETTY: Well, that's how I was raised. And so, you can only be what you've experienced. I mean, that is what you give out to the world, is what you know to give. I mean, I'm not that big -- I'm five-foot-three -- but I was a fighter; I was in many fights, hurt many people. I wasn't a heavy drinker or anything like that; I thank God I did not become an alcoholic. But I could have; it was there in my lifestyle to become one. I'm not happy with everything that I did back then. But since the experience, I have, I hope, more than made up for it, because I know that the greatest gift we can have now is to understand people, to love them, to forgive them. And I'm able to do that because it was shown to me in the heavenly realm I was in that we're all here for a purpose. Each one of us came here, we promised God that we would fulfill a mission for him, a plan laid out for us. Nothing is by happenstance, by mistake, or any other mysterious thing.

GEORGE: Maybe you were supposed to die.

BETTY: Well, I was. I didn't know that until years later, after I returned, that... well, to get back to... God told me to come back. That I had promised him I would complete a mission for him.

GEORGE: What was that mission, Betty?

BETTY: I think that part of the mission was writing "Embraced by the Light". I say "I think" because I was told to write the book. But I was also told that the moment my mission was complete that I could return. I made them promise me that, to tell you quite honestly. I said I do not want to come back. I pleaded with them. I begged with them. And finally they said yes, the minute my mission was complete that they would come for me. And that's been thirty years ago. This November, I celebrated my thirtieth anniversary of my death. And I'm still here. Which means one of two things to me. I either have another mission to fulfill -- which I think I do, and I think I know what it is -- and/or I am so ignorant, I didn't get it right, (laughing) and I'm going to have to continue to live until I do!

GEORGE: What do you think that other mission might be, if you think you're right?

BETTY: I was told about "Embraced by the Light", the book, which I did. I was shown the front cover of it, I was shown the back of it, all of which was done according to what they told me. I was told that "Embraced by the Light" would be made into a film, a movie. That hasn't happened yet. I'm now working on that project. I'm beginning to write the screenplay, but it's been very difficult because of its context, not unlike Mel Gibson's movie, I'm sure...

GEORGE: "Passion". Sure.

BETTY: Yes. There are many people who, well, especially in Hollywood, who have a problem with Jesus, much less God. I mean, you know, God's a problem, too, but Jesus particularly. But, you know, it's going to get done, because I was told that it would be done. Now whether or not that included me as part of it or not, I'm not exactly sure.

GEORGE: Well you've got the hard thing done, and you've got the book finished.

BETTY: (laughing) I thought, all I'm trying to do is live my life through, and complete my mission, and return back where I know that I belong. But in the meantime, I have acquired sixteen grandchildren...

GEORGE: Did you? Good for you!

BETTY: Yes I did. And so it's been wonderful, awesome, and Joe and I have celebrated our fortieth anniversary, which is tremendous, so...

GEORGE: Well aren't you glad you came back, then?

BETTY: You know, I am. But not one day of the thirty years since I've returned have I not done something towards the experience. In other words, I've spent my... I'm compelled... in the back of my books, "The Awakening Heart" and "The Ripple Effect", I say I won't quit. Finally, in "The Ripple Effect" I wrote: I can't quit. I'm compelled to continue to share this message until I'm taken home.

GEORGE: Alright, when we come back... Are we at a point where they're going to send you back to your physical body?

BETTY: Yes we are.

GEORGE: Alright, we'll do that when we come back, because I want to know how this happened, I want to know if nurses came running around, I want to know exactly what happened to you, Betty, medically, because I am... really wondered... you were dead for four hours, you said, and obviously no brain damage; you sound okay to me...

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GEORGE: And with my guest tonight, Betty Eadie, who died. She's back. At the top of the hour, we'll open up the phone lines, give you a chance to chat with Betty, and also, if you've had a near-death experience, please, check in with us, let me know what that story is.

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