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GEORGE: Betty, before we take the JAMMED phone calls here for you, can you relate a little bit of that story of the person on death row, and the person that he killed? You said that there was some kind of meeting of the minds, so to speak?

BETTY: He was actually visited by the man that he killed, and the man forgave him. It took a couple of years; he was visited three times, and on the third visit the man forgave him, which I thought was incredible. And the story is really too detailed to tell, and would be hard for me to try to break it down without, well, I would probably butcher the story.

GEORGE: I understand. Could you forgive someone who murdered you?

BETTY: Yes. I could. Because I...

GEORGE: What about someone who murdered, maybe, one of your seven children?

BETTY: Yes, I could.

GEORGE: I couldn't do it.

BETTY: And I know that I wouldn't have been able to do that had I not had the experience. It doesn't mean you put up with it or that you would allow it -- you would prevent it if you could -- but nothing passes by God without his approval. Absolutely nothing. It's very difficult for people to understand that our lives are not controlled so much, but they are in perfect harmony with God for our experience here.

GEORGE: Well I guess I'm not at that level of perfection yet, where I'd be able to forgive and forget. I couldn't do it.

BETTY: I think that you... Well, obviously you are here to learn to love, and so you will eventually get there. But, you would have to know that the person committing the murder had had a very tragic experience themselves.

GEORGE: Oh no doubt. No doubt. There aren't a lot... other than a diehard killer...

BETTY: Yeah, you hate the crime, but you cannot hate the individual. You must forgive them. And when you do that, then you'll understand with more perfect love.

GEORGE: But if you don't, if you don't forgive that person that killed, let's say, your child, that doesn't mean that you are a bad person.

BETTY: No, it doesn't. What it does do, though, is it... I was shown the physical effects of that lack of forgiveness. It was shown to me in the aura of an individual -- it's hate, it's like hatred -- and when you have that hatred, you can visualize it like a black hole, or a space, in your aura, in your energy field. And that black space is like a magnet that attracts like energy to it, and over time that like energy becomes disease. It causes the body and the mind to become ill. So when you see the effect of holding on to that type of energy, you wouldn't want it.

GEORGE: Alright, let's go to the phones. You ready, Betty?

BETTY: Yes.

GEORGE: First-time caller line, welcome to Coast-to-Coast, you're on the air with Betty Eadie. Hi there.

CALLER: Hi there, George. Hi Betty.

BETTY/GEORGE: Hello. Welcome.

CALLER: This is Ray from Lake Arrowhead, California.

GEORGE: Mm-hmm. Go ahead, Ray.

CALLER: Betty, I've read your book "Embraced", and I've had two near-death experiences, one when I was ten, and one when I was sixteen. And I've been troubled ever since because I can't explain it to anybody. Nobody understands. Even my wife of twenty-eight years seems to... it's almost trivial to her. Did you experience any of that?

BETTY: Oh absolutely. For years, even though my husband believes me because he knows that I do not lie, that I would rather face anything else. I know that truth just makes you feel so good, and why lie about it, what's there to gain? And he knew that about me, but he couldn't quite, he just can't grasp the experience, and it was very difficult, very frustrating for me. I had a man who was ninety-four years old call me, when my telephone number was still in the telephone book; he had not told anyone about an experience he had when he was twenty-one with death, and he lived a lifetime in agony, just as you are feeling, having this experience that you want someone to understand. It's very frustrating, isn't it?

CALLER: And I was sent back, as you, with this huge purpose, and I've been trying to find it ever since, and it seems to get [?] further and further. How is it you managed to find your purpose?

BETTY: But I haven't.

CALLER: You haven't yet.

BETTY: No! Oh no! I know that I have done some of the things I was told to do, but this continuation of my mission still goes on. I mean it's thirty years since I had the experience, and I was told that not one of us leave this earth until we fulfilled our mission. And I'm still here, and I expected to be gone within months of the experience.

GEORGE: How did you happen to have two near-death experiences at such a young age? What happened to you?

CALLER: Well, George, the first one was an accident, it happened on a school yard. There was a... I was rough-housing with a friend, and I got slammed into the pavement pretty hard. And the second one was a drug overdose at sixteen. And... I don't like talking about that one very much.

GEORGE: Ah. I understand, I understand. Well, I'm glad you're still with us.

BETTY: Was that a negative experience, the drug overdose?

CALLER: No. It was...

BETTY: Was it a positive one?

CALLER: Yes.

BETTY: Some people have a negative experience; in other words, some people will actually experience hell. And I was told that God uses what is, and oftimes he will use hell as a part of a near-death experience to show us how painful it would be if we continued on in a certain lifestyle.

GEORGE: Betty, because you are now so sensitive, do you sometimes experience spirits and ghosts? Do you see them running around houses and things like that?

BETTY: I do. I don't talk about it very often for obvious reasons, but yes, I still have retained some sensitivity to that. What I am more sensitive to, and that is connecting with people's thoughts, connecting with their energy fields. I can sense when they are about to face something or what they feel. That is more challenging to live with than actual ghosts or spirits, you know, disincarnate spirits.

GEORGE: Why don't they just go away?

BETTY: Well, because they have interests here as well.

GEORGE: Probably financial interests. (They both laugh.) You never know. Wildcard line, welcome to Coast to Coast. You're on the air with us. Hi there.

CALLER: Yeah, hi.

GEORGE: Yeah, go ahead.

CALLER: I've got a couple of philosophical questions, I guess, for Betty, right?

GEORGE: Sure. She is listening and ready to go.

CALLER: Okay. Alright, you believe in hell on earth, and the illusion of hell, like the fear of hell...

BETTY: I believe... (caller interrupts, then she proceeds) I guess I do believe life can be hell here on earth, but I also believe in the life review, which is a form of hell to me. I do not believe that God casts us into any fiery furnace or lake or whatever. No, I simply cannot even conceive of that. But I do know that he has wisdom, and he wants us to grow to the wisdom he has, and we can do that by experiencing everything that we have created, everything that we have done. We internalize that knowledge, and we grow from that. And so, when you do wrong, if you don't know what wrong you've done, how can you grow beyond that? You cannot. And so he allows us to experience that for our own benefit.

CALLER: Right. Kind of like showing your children a belt, but not actually spanking them.

BETTY: Well, maybe a little bit more than that. Sometimes, you know, the native people never remove their children when their children are near fire, they always allow their children --. they protect them, and not allow them to get painfully hurt -- but they allow them to be a little bit burnt, right? And that child might be almost a year old, will never go near fire again, not in that way. They're more cautious, but they will continue to explore. And that's what God wants from us. In fact, he told me that we make mistakes here, that's what we're here to do. It is through our mistakes that we have the greatest growth.

GEORGE: As long as we learn from those, right?

BETTY: Yes. But you will continue to make the same mistakes until you learn, don't we? We do this all the time.

CALLER: What's your belief, like, soul-less people, people without conscience or anything, with no guilt trip whatsoever...

BETTY: Many of these people are actually placed on this planet for our experience. It's very difficult to judge which way that is. I, for instance... In "Embraced by the Light", you'll read where I wrote about, and I received -- boy, I tell you what, I get slammed a lot -- in this particular vision that they showed me is one of those that people haven't like to read about. And I was a very judgmental person before I had my death experience, and the heavens scrolled back and they told me to look down and explain to them what I saw. And what I saw was a drunken man on the street. He had been that way most of his life. And I said in a very judgmental fashion, "Why, a drunken old bum." And they said, "We're going to take him out of his body so that you can see what this man's spirit is truly like." And they took him out of his body, and I saw his spirit -- his spirit outshone mine by... a bazillion watts. He was a tremendous spirit. They said he was here as a teacher only, that he didn't need an experience on earth, but that he was here to help us here, to teach one man, one soul actually. It was an attorney who would make eye contact with him, and through that eye contact, a remembrance of their commitment to each other before they came here would be transmitted, and that attorney would do wonderful work for many, many people because of this one man. And so we cannot judge one person's mission here, not one single soul.

GEORGE: The possibilities of guardian angels... Did that ever come up?

BETTY: Oh, we all have them. I had eight before I returned to the earth...

GEORGE: Eight!!

BETTY: Eight, uh-huh.

GEORGE: Give me a few, would you?

BETTY: Well, you may already have more! I mean, you know, you don't believe in a lot of things, you probably do have more.

GEORGE: (laughing) What do you... Thanks a lot, Betty! What do you need so many for?

BETTY: Well, there are those... We're constantly receiving inspiration. When you live in the fast lane, which many of us chose to do... When we came here, life is like a river, and when we came, we chose the fast rapid waters, some chose to go ebb and tide along the bank, they wanted something a little more mellow, maybe their spirit, that's where their spirit level was. Many of us just dove right in, and I'm sure that that's what I did because I tend to live in the fast lane of things. I would need more guardian angels for that. I would think that you would too.

GEORGE: (laughing) Thanks. East of the Rockies, welcome to Coast to Coast. Hi there.

CALLER: Yes, good morning, George. Good morning, Betty.

BETTY/GEORGE: Good morning.

CALLER: Very interesting program. This is Francis calling from Brooklyn, and what you said, Betty, seems to make a lot of sense after sort of exploring the Western metaphysical traditions of the last century, about a compassionate creator for all of humankind. But I have a question. We've been going through so many very divisive things in the last two years, especially the war in Iraq. It's not only tearing the people of Iraq apart, but it's tearing Americans apart. And I'm wondering, have you come across what is a purpose for war, you know, what can we do to sort of prevent it or learn from it, or, you know, I guess maybe that's the question that's been on the top of my mind.

BETTY: Yeah. Well in life, our experience on this particular earth is to learn to love unconditionally. And we are challenged with war, we are challenged with many things that will bring us eventually to that, if we will let it. Now, of course, I don't know who believes this besides me, but this is a religious war we are going through. It will become known as a religious war. It's religious, and yet again it tends to point to certain attributes that we are to overcome, such as greed. And power, the need for control and power, all of that. And this is what's happening right now. We have many precious souls giving up their lives so that we might learn. From the heavenly realm, this war is actually going to benefit us; we can benefit from it. And we should do that, and quickly learn, so that we can get past this.

GEORGE: Betty, I hear all kinds of stories where someone says he's driving on the freeway, he falls asleep, he's ready to pull into an oncoming car on the other side, and all of sudden a hand reaches in and steers him back to safety, and there's nobody else in the car with him. What is happening with people like that?

BETTY: This is part of their guardianship. I could tell you a bazillion stories that are just incredible. And one story actually happened to my daughter. She rolled over in her car. She didn't have her seatbelt on. And as the car skidded and flipped in the ditch, the tire catching in the ditch, arms wrapped around her, like from behind her, and held her in place. Many people... and you could say, okay, then why... perhaps someone else who had a family member killed in a car, why didn't their loved one survive? I can tell you beyond a shadow of a doubt, it was their time to go. And yet that sounds so incredible, I mean it's just... How can that be? And yet, I know and believe with all my heart that that is so.

GEORGE: Yeah, I tell you what, there is something there that is deeper than most can imagine.

Most people who have a near-death experience don't have a life review like you did. How come?

BETTY: They just don't recall it. I think most people who have near-death experiences really do have an experience that is in greater depth than they recall. Because much of what I experienced was actually taken from me. And I'm kind of glad, because if I had to share it all... I mean, there are some things I haven't talked about, because what I wrote about in "Embraced by the Light" was almost too incredible. I had to keep some things that people just simply wouldn't understand. Even in the writing of "Embraced", it's carefully crafted to share it in the most perfect form, but when I read it, it doesn't tell it exact. I don't know that there is a way to tell it perfectly.

GEORGE: Sometimes you just have to experience it. We'll all have to eventually, Betty. Stay with us. More of your phone calls, on Coast to Coast AM, America's most listened-to late night talk show, because you made it that way. I'm George Noory, back in a moment.

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