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GEORGE: Betty Eadie my guest. I'm George Noory, of course. Betty has had a near-death experience, happened at the age of thirty-one, thirty years ago. Betty, what about somebody who is a non-believer, just doesn't believe, doesn't have the faith, and has one of these experiences. What happens to them?

BETTY: They are brought to understand. In fact, a woman I am helping write a book about the experience her husband had -- he was actually an atheist; he was a professor at the Berkley University, this man was a paleontologist, grew up in science, and didn't believe in God, an atheist. Spent many years on radio, etc., sharing his belief in nothing, no one, and just science. When he died, back in 19... I think it was '76, the hospital ended up calling him The Man Who Wouldn't Die, because he actually had about four near-death experiences in a row.

GEORGE: Four?

BETTY: Yes. This is the truth. I mean, he died, they took him down to the room that they take the people who die, only to retrieve him and bring him back up and then he died again, they took him back down again... This went on, four times. Finally he did pass.

GEORGE: In my earlier days in radio, I had many near-death experiences while I was on the air! (both laugh)

BETTY: Well this man died and met with God. And he apologized for having lived his entire life -- he was in his late seventies when he died -- apologized for living his entire life and never believing in God. And God said, "It wasn't for you to believe in me. But your life served its purpose. It served to help those who did believe in me."

GEORGE: That's interesting.

BETTY: Oh, it's awesome. It's an awesome, awesome story.

GEORGE: More phone calls. You ready for some more?

BETTY: Mm-hmm!

GEORGE: Wildcard line, welcome to Coast to Coast. You're on with Betty Eadie! Hi there.

CALLER: Hi.

GEORGE: Yeah, go ahead.

CALLER: Hi, this is Lori. I'm from [?] New York.

GEORGE: Hi Lori.

CALLER: About... I was twenty-six, which is about ten years ago, I O.D.ed, and died. It was really a different experience from what she was talking about. I had a niece who had died a couple of months before that --- she was only two -- and I had a brother who had died in '82, and he was only four. And I had met with them during this experience. And even though they were at that age when I saw them -- and this was in a beautiful little field, and they were playing and stuff like that -- they talked as if they were an adult. And they told me I had to go home, that there was something I had to do.

GEORGE: And you didn't want to go, did you? You didn't want to come back.

CALLER: No, I did not. No. I have a long history at that point of suicide attempts, depression, the whole works.

GEORGE: Oh my. You're... How're you doing now? You okay?

CALLER: I'm doing really well! Right now I'm... I got out of an abusive relationship, I just got my bachelor's degree in teaching...

GEORGE: Good for you!

CALLER: ...and I start working on my Master's in February.

GEORGE: See, they helped you... So they send you back, you didn't want to go, but they did... Did they have to bring you back to your body kicking and screaming?

CALLER: Well they gave me a choice. (laughing) They showed me hell, and told me I could go there, or I could go back to my body.

GEORGE: Was it a difficult choice for you?

CALLER: No. (laughing)

GEORGE: You came back.

CALLER: No, no. It was an awful sight. And I know I've read about people who have seen hell with a near-death...

BETTY: Yes, there's a... Barbara Rommer, and I can't remember the title of her book. [Blessing in Disguise: Another Side of the Near-Death Experience] But if people are interested in what you just stated, if they would look for her book, she wrote the perfect book about people who have had near-death experiences and experienced hell. I think that that will explain it. With the short time that I'm here on the radio, and the difficulty in trying to explain it, I wouldn't want to mislead anyone. I do not believe in hell; I still don't believe in hell, although I encourage people who have had hell experiences to share them, because there is a great understanding that you receive from the hell experience. And so if you'll remember her name -- write that down and look for her book -- you can get it in the library -- Barbara Rommer -- and it's filled with experiences of people who have had experience with hell and not heaven.

GEORGE: How does she spell her last name?

BETTY: I believe it's R-O-M-M-E-R.

GEORGE: Okay. Thanks. You're doing alright.

CALLER: Yeah, it was a life-changing...

GEORGE: Good for you. Good for you. Well, you know, you're going to get your Ph.D. eventually the way you're going!

CALLER: Well, yeah. (laughing) Actually I have a job, I'm going to be directing my own school when I finish my Master's.

GEORGE: Good for you. Keep listening.

CALLER: I do every night now.

GEORGE: Appreciate your call.

CALLER: Yep. Thank you.

GEORGE: First-time caller line. You are on... No, let's go East of the Rockies. That's been blinking for awhile. You're on Coast to Coast. Hi there.

CALLER: Hi! Can you hear me?

GEORGE: I sure can, loud and clear.

CALLER: Good! This is Jane from Sioux Falls. Do you know where that's at, Betty?

BETTY: Yes I do.

CALLER: Well sure! Well anyway, it's just great and wonderful to hear a comforting, warm voice like yours explaining to us on earth here what love is all about, that brilliant immaculate love that's waiting for us. And I just think you have such a glorious mission being sent back to earth here to help us understand that.

BETTY: Well thank you.

CALLER: And I wanted to ask you: How would we go about, and is it important for us -- how would we go about choosing death rather than succumbing to performing an act of hatred?

BETTY: I think that our greatest gift to God is to live our life through; I mean, he blessed us to have it. We all, each one, have a purpose here on this earth, something that we promised him that we would do. I'm a promise-keeper, and I think that, well, my prayer last night was "God, please help me through the day, and the next few days," because I want so much to keep my promise to him. I would not want to die and go back and see him and know that I did not complete that. So I would live this life over ANYTHING that I had to endure, no matter what it is, come hell or high water. This is his gift to me, and so continuing in doing that, and I encourage everyone out there: Life wasn't meant to be easy. It's meant to be filled with challenges. And not only that, but I saw firsthand that not one of us will endure one thing that we cannot stand, that we are gifted with the ability to see it through.

CALLER: Sure, that sounds great to me. (laughing)

BETTY: Yes it does. And God bless you, hang in there, like everyone else. And I wouldn't want anyone to be confused, you know, I've been kind of glancing at my email here and some people are talking about Jesus and their misunderstanding that my belief in him... it's all a matter of words. This person said, "He's your Lord and Savior...", etc., etc. -- I never said he wasn't, but they, not understanding the Bible -- Lord and Savior means someone came and rescued you, and Jesus did that in that he brought the truth back to the earth, that we can get to God, the Father, through love. And it's through that gateway, which is narrow, that we can return back to God. And that's what this earth life is all about, is learning how to love, so we can go back to our Father in heaven who IS love. And so no matter how great the challenge, stick with love, and just say to yourself: You know what? I'm going to get through this! I have to learn to love myself and love every other mortal being on this earth, and I can do that.

GEORGE: In addition to your books, Betty, the book you just recommended by Barbara Rommer is "Blessing in Disguise".

BETTY: Oh, thank you!

GEORGE: Okay? There you go. Let's go back to the calls. West of the Rockies, welcome to Coast to Coast, you are on the air. Hi there.

CALLER: Hi, is this me?

GEORGE: Yes it is, sir, go ahead.

CALLER: Oh. Well, my question, my predicament here is: I've had an enlightenment experience which I see very much the same as a near-death experience or life-after-death experience, and I'm having some difficulties and I was wondering if Betty would be able to help me out. It's kind of a little bit of a background thing to get up...

GEORGE: Well I tell you what, why don't we do this. Betty, do you take personal emails, do you help people that way?

BETTY: I would hate to say yes because I receive thousands of emails. I do read them but I really have not been able to get back to too many. However, if you were to email me tonight, I...

CALLER: I don't have a computer right now...

GEORGE: How do we do this? Because I don't have that kind of time right now to probably get the rest of his story, and I don't want to cut him off in midstream.

BETTY: Maybe he could write me?

GEORGE: Alright, how about it. Do you have a pencil there, sir?

CALLER: Yes I do.

GEORGE: Okay. How about an address, Betty...

BETTY: Yes. It's a P.O. box. It's betty@... I was about to give you my email address... It's P.O. Box 25480, Seattle, WA, 98125.

GEORGE: We'll give that one more time for you, sir. (repeats address) And then... I tell you what, because I don't want you to get inundated with letters as well, if you put a self-addressed stamped envelope back to yourself... Betty, write him a little letter and send it back to him, would you do that for us?

BETTY: Yes, I will.

GEORGE: Okay, I appreciate that. Let's move on. Let's go to our first-time caller line. You're on Coast to Coast with us. Hello!

CALLER: Hi there!

GEORGE: Hi.

CALLER: This is Maureen calling from the heart of the Rockies in Frisco, Colorado.

GEORGE: Hello Maureen!

CALLER: I have to tell you I am so thrilled with your program that I actually sponsor it on our late-night radio programming.

GEORGE: Oh do you!

CALLER: I do! High Country radio out of Dillon, Granby, and Kremlin.

GEORGE: Well thank you! I appreciate that!

CALLER: My pleasure! I have a question for Betty, and it has to do with the comments regarding suicide and how that is like the ultimately bad thing to do, or that you should not make that choice. And I'm challenged by that in the saying that when your time is up, your time is up, and nothing happens without God's consent. And so, I have a friend who has committed suicide, and I know a number of people who have as well, and so how is it possible that they pass if it's not their time, even if it is by their own hand?

BETTY: Because everything that passes the Father is allowed. He allows it, because he allows us free will to work within our lives. And, people who take their lives are wounded souls. Would you agree with that?

CALLER: Absolutely.

BETTY: They are not in their right minds, and anyone who would say that they are just simply don't know. God would not cast them out. I know that firsthand. I know that's very difficult to a world that has grown traditionally to believe that if you took your lives you would cast into hell. Not to say that during your experience through a life review that you might not have to experience a time of, I guess, renewal, a time of education. That would be devastating to the soul when you knew that you threw back God's gift of life in his face practically. And so you wouldn't want to do this. But I just am a firm believer that ANYONE who takes their life is not in their right mind.

CALLER: Mm-hmm. And so, is it your belief that there's something that takes place in the interim before they come back again for the next life, or the next...

BETTY: Yes, they'd have to go through a healing. And people who take their own life would have to go through the healing. And this is part of the space that I think that... I went to this dark space at first. I was a wounded soul in many ways, and I believe that the healing, the black void, the space where I received God's love, in spite of the upbringing I had, and where I was, my perception and understanding, he loved me regardless. But I had to go through a cleansing in order to be received by him.

CALLER: Is there anything we can do from the earth plane to help our loved ones who have committed suicide?

BETTY: Yes. Prayer. Prayer. It's the most incredible weapon, it's the most incredible gift.

CALLER: And should that take any particular form?

BETTY: No. No form at all, except for your prayer to God, and you talk to him just like I'm talking to you right now. All you have to say is -- I refer to him as Father because he's the Father-creator of all things -- and I just say: Father, you know how things are today. Bless this person, whatever, whatever, whatever, just as you would to a father. And he hears all prayers. Your prayer, because it is unselfish, would be one that would be received to him like a tremendous beam of light, and not the little pinpoints of light which are usually very selfish prayers. I was shone prayers and how they go up to heaven, and they're like... they go up like energy, waves of energy. The broader the beam, the less selfish, the purer form of prayer. And those prayers, angels rush out to answer those prayers immediately, they are orchestrated by God to do so.

GEORGE: Betty, I want to thank you for an enlightening program. The clock is ticking. Your books: "Embraced by the Light", "The Awakening Heart"... Your website, of course, will direct a lot of people to your books... I assume amazon.com also sells them?

BETTY: Yes they do, and they can find them in the library. My work is not about money as people would imagine it is, it's about the message of God's unconditional love.

GEORGE: You're one of the first authors that's ever said "Go to the library."

BETTY: I prefer them to go to the library, because then (laughing) they won't look at me and say, "She's after the money." I really don't care how they get this message, I just want them to GET THE MESSAGE.

GEORGE: Well let me congratulate you on enlightening a lot of people. It's kind of refreshing to do that every once in a while.

BETTY: Thank you very much, and thank you SO much for having me on your show.

GEORGE: Okay, Betty. You take care. You have a great night, okay?

BETTY: Yes I will.

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